Lacock Positive 2nd January 2025

 Remembering the events of early January 2024, when Lacock Village was flooded and only a few of us could reach the Village Hall (and fully expecting the same to happen this year) we took the decision to devote this evening to a zoom call from our homes.

The call was hosted by Joe Houghton with a talk entitled Photography in an AI world

He started by discussing the results Leonardo AI had given him using a prompt of "A pensioner photographer taking a photo using a futuristic looking camera of a high-tech urban city".

"pensioner photographer taking a photo..." as generated by Leonardo AI

He then showed images generated by CoPilot AI using exactly the same prompt:

"pensioner photographer taking a photo..." as generated by CoPilot AI

This prompted a discussion of how biased this particular AI was towards white, male, bearded photographers which is, as Joe explained, a symptom of the images used to train the AI.

By way of comparison, I tried exactly the same prompt in the beta version of Photoshop, which employs Adobe's much vaunted Firefly.  There are dozens of options, and choosing some fairly randomly, it came up with these:

"pensioner photographer taking a photo..." as generated by Firefly via Photoshop

"pensioner photographer taking a photo..." as generated by Firefly via Photoshop

"pensioner photographer taking a photo..." as generated by Firefly via Photoshop

The cities aren't particularly futuristic looking, but Firefly's bias doesn't seem to be towards male bearded photographers.

Joe then quoted from an article he wrote for the RPS in June 2023 saying there's only one way to resolve the issue of AI in photography... ban any image being submitted to any competition shot or processed on a digital camera.

He then outlined a timeline:
  • Between 15,000 and 17,000 years ago: The Lascaux cave paintings appeared showing life, colour and movement
  • 1st Century BC: Frescos at Pompeii show realism
  • 1130: "Cloudy Mountains" by Mi Youren in China shows a landscape with depth
  • 1645: St Antoniuskapel, Utrecht, painted by Pieter Jansz, shows full perspective and converging lines
  • 1827: Heliograph on pewter, the first photograph ever taken
  • 1859: Twilight by Camille Silvy, a seamless composite of four negatives
  • 1998: First AI generated image
  • 2022: Jason Allen's AI-generated work wins the digital category with the image below at the Colorado State Fair
Théâtre_D’opéra_Spatial

The image was originally generated by Midjourney, it had a further 625 edits in Photoshop.  Although there was a great shout-out by "real" photographers at the time, there was nothing in the rules to disallow the submission.

So the question arises as to who cares whether an image is AI generated.  Clients don't - as far as they're concerned it's results that count... if they don't have to pay a photographer, then that's even better.  So who does care?  The answer seems to be only those judging image competitions, of which wildlife is the worst, having the most restrictive rules where zero edits/alterations are allowed.

The LENSA app can create photorealistic images from an uploaded phone image.  It has a darker side as it (and other apps) can produce sexualised images.

An image enhanced using LENSA

A recent survey revealed that websites allowing users to create explicit content were visited more than 18 million times from Japan,
and Japan is in 3rd place behind India and the USA in terms of website visits.

We then saw:
  • A deepfake real-time video of someone morphing into various well-known people
  • The facebook page of Emin Kuliyev whose images of people backlit by the setting sun were all AI generated
  • The winning image from an Australian competition which was later admitted to be completely AI generated
  • The "outing" of a popular Instagram photographer revealed as an "AI fraud"
  • The Sony World Photography Award winner who refused the award, admitting his image was AI generated - the competition judges didn't even notice how the hands were deformed.
Joe then discussed how AI is making its presence known more and more in digital cameras themselves.  The new Olympus OM cameras will have AI controlled:
  • Autofocus
  • Subject detection
  • Focus stacking
  • Exposure bracketing
  • Blended high resolution (pixel shifted) images
  • Neutral density filters, up to 10 stops
  • Live view graduated filters (hard or soft)
In addition, phone manufacturers are lauding the ability of their products to blend images in camera to create composite shots. Camera manufacturers are introducing AI to analyse a scene and automatically adjust exposure, focus, white balance and ISO for an optimal image.  Smartphones add features like bokeh, night mode and object recognition.

Websites like My Heritage use AI to enhance and colour, old black and white images:



then, as if that wasn't already enough, the site can use deepfake technology to make ancestors speak.

HEDRA can be used with an uploaded image and a voice track to create a lip-synced video.
Both CANVA and Photoshop can extend images.  Topaz Gigapixel can upscale images and add detail that wasn't there in the original.  You can design faces with AI.

With those thoughts buzzing around our heads, Joe ran out of time, leaving us to ponder the future.

Our next meeting will be on January 16th.

Lacock Positive 12th December

This evening saw "picture of the month" for November.  There was a common theme of autumn colour:
© Amanda Gregory

Exmoor © Anne Horne

Polish Camera Girl © Craig Purvis

Wytham Woods © Danny Wootton

© Derek Liversidge

© Helen Day

Leopard © Julia Lloyd-Parks

Lacock Floods © Jeremy Fox

Benger Blaze © Lesley Cadger

© David Sage

Benger Blaze © Pam Bamford

© Phil Selby

© Phil Male

© Rob Macklin

Giving me the Eye © Sue Power

Autumn Colour at Westonbirt © Tony Bamford

After our Christmas social, with cheese, biscuits and cake, we settled down to watch the AVs club members had prepared.  As time goes on, hopefully more will be uploaded, currently there is only this:



Our next "meeting" will be a Zoom call on the 2nd January.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone.








Lacock Positive 28th November

This evening club members listened to a talk entitled "This, That and Some Street Photography", given by Peter Crane ARPS, who was visiting us from Swindon for a second time in recent years.
He presented a variety of his work, including wildlife, landscape, macro and finally, street photography.

Kestrel © Peter Crane

Kingfisher © Peter Crane

Fox © Peter Crane

Adders © Peter Crane

Stag © Peter Crane

Female Deer, Cooling Off in mud © Peter Crane

Glen Affric © Peter Crane

Glen Affric © Peter Crane

Trees in Snow © Peter Crane

Encased in Ice © Peter Crane

Sunset © Peter Crane

Bee © Peter Crane

Harvest Mouse © Peter Crane

Band on the Run © Peter Crane

Protest © Peter Crane

Reflections © Peter Crane

Our next meeting will be our last of 2024, on Thursday 12th December. 

Lacock Positive 14th November

In this meeting we reviewed results from the five club members who, earlier this year, travelled to London for a dance shoot with Panikos Hajistilly of Panikos Photography.

The problems faced were that the studio was quite small, thus flash units, softboxes and lighting stands tended to intrude into images.  This meant either attempting to clone them out, or use Lightroom's AI remove tool.

Those who had tried AI remove, found results could be unpredictable with almost everyone saying it would often replace a flash unit with a slightly different flash unit, or a lighting stand with a slightly different lighting stand.

Other problems were that the white backdrop used in some of the shots was "well used" and had very many marks and scuffs.  Also the model sported a large number of small tattoos, which some members felt they needed to remove in post.

Jumping dancer, showing intrusion of lights and supports © Danny Wootton

After post processing © Danny Wootton

One member was a bit more extreme, extensively using Photoshop's "liquify" tool to provide a slimming effect, together with its AI generative fill to add flowing hair

Liquify filter applied © Tony Bamford

Generative remove was especially useful in this shot where the material used wandered well beyond the backdrop:

Dancer before processing © Phil Male


Generative fill was also quite inventive here when (without prompting) it replaced the studio lights with a curved window: 

After processing © Phil Male

Converting to black and white also worked well:

Dancer before processing © Phil Male

Dancer in black and white © Phil Male

Replacing the background in post was an option which was actively encouraged by Mr. 
Hajistilly himself. However, due to the large amount of work needed to select the dancer (neither Lightroom, nor Photoshop do a sufficiently good job without lots of time-consuming help) only two members attempted this:

Dancer before processing © Lesley Cadger

Dancer on steps © Lesley Cadger

Way out pink © Lesley Cadger

(Slimmed) Dancer on stage © Tony Bamford

We then followed with best picture of October.
Diamond Beach © Caroline Howe

© Derek Liversidge

© Julia Lloyd-Parks

The Lake District © David Sage

Salisbury Cathedral © Lesley Cadger

Bodium Castle © Pam Bamford

Snettisham © Phil Selby

Black Church Rock © Tony Bamford

Then we moved on through the alphabet to our challenge "The Letter M".
M is for Mouse © Amanda Gregory

M is for Mirror © Caroline Howe

Mouth of Glen Aros © Craig Purvis

M is for (Cinnabar) Moth © Derek Liversidge

M is for Marcos Mantaray (1997 4.6L V8) © Derek Liversidge

M is for Moai © Helen Day

M is for Milky Way © Lesley Cadger

M is for Monkey © Adrian Fox

M is for Multiple © Pam Bamford

M is for Mandarin © Phil Male

M is for Mist © Phil Male

M is for Music © Rob Macklin

M is for Morning © Sue Power

M is for Magpie (feather) © Tony Bamford

Our next meeting will be on November 28th